[RBW] Cambium VS. B-17 question

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For those that have ridden both, and tend to ride their B17 "nose up", do
you find you have to orient the Cambium the same? The nose up B17 works
well for me, but when I venture off road it's not very friendly and has
caused some problems. I'm hoping the Cambium with it's claimed "broken in"
B17 out of the box comfort can be run close to level. I realize everyone is
different, but if you've run a B17 and a C17, I'd love to hear your
comparisons on setup.

I have been wanting to try a Cambium for some time, and might seek one out
based on this.

[Johnny Alien]

Do you start to run the B17 more level once it's broken in? I don't ride
nose up but have found the C17 feels most comfortable set up just like the
standard B17.

Post by 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch
For those that have ridden both, and tend to ride their B17 "nose up", do
you find you have to orient the Cambium the same? The nose up B17 works
well for me, but when I venture off road it's not very friendly and has
caused some problems. I'm hoping the Cambium with it's claimed "broken in"
B17 out of the box comfort can be run close to level. I realize everyone is
different, but if you've run a B17 and a C17, I'd love to hear your
comparisons on setup.
I have been wanting to try a Cambium for some time, and might seek one out
based on this.

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No, if anything it's the opposite. It doesn't seem to matter if I
re-tension, adjust height or fore/aft positioning either. Again, it's not a
problem unless I'm riding in the dirt with some technical terrain. The B17
is the only saddle I've used that required a nose up tilt for me to be
comfortable on.

Post by Johnny Alien
Do you start to run the B17 more level once it's broken in? I don't ride
nose up but have found the C17 feels most comfortable set up just like the
standard B17.

[Justin August]

After putting in some miles on the C17S I decided to switch back to my B17.
I think they feel pretty different - the C17 was nowhere near the broken in
feel of my B17. I _want_ to have a a more weather-proofed saddle and may go
down the WTB SSTx rabbit hole soon. However for me the solution wasn't the
C17. It felt too harsh and had no give.

Perhaps adjust your B17 to be more flat when you go on the trail and see
how that works? Maybe tension out the bolt a bit as well?

-J

Post by 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch
No, if anything it's the opposite. It doesn't seem to matter if I
re-tension, adjust height or fore/aft positioning either. Again, it's not a
problem unless I'm riding in the dirt with some technical terrain. The B17
is the only saddle I've used that required a nose up tilt for me to be
comfortable on.

Post by Johnny Alien
Do you start to run the B17 more level once it's broken in? I don't ride
nose up but have found the C17 feels most comfortable set up just like the
standard B17.

[Mark Reimer]

I ride my B17 special very nose-up. People often say OUCH that looks
painful! They just don't understand... My C17 is pretty much dead flat. I
agree that they don't feel the same. They are both wide and flat, but the
B17 special has a lot more give, and that hammock feel. The C17 is not a
hammock. but it IS quite forgiving and comfortable. I use the B17 on my
Atlantis for long rides. The C17 is on my single speed CX bike which I use
for ripping around fast and light, riding in the rain, etc. The C17 is also
a great mountain biking saddle.

Post by Justin August
After putting in some miles on the C17S I decided to switch back to my
B17. I think they feel pretty different - the C17 was nowhere near the
broken in feel of my B17. I _want_ to have a a more weather-proofed saddle
and may go down the WTB SSTx rabbit hole soon. However for me the solution
wasn't the C17. It felt too harsh and had no give.
Perhaps adjust your B17 to be more flat when you go on the trail and see
how that works? Maybe tension out the bolt a bit as well?
-J

Post by 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch
No, if anything it's the opposite. It doesn't seem to matter if I
re-tension, adjust height or fore/aft positioning either. Again, it's not a
problem unless I'm riding in the dirt with some technical terrain. The B17
is the only saddle I've used that required a nose up tilt for me to be
comfortable on.

Post by Johnny Alien
Do you start to run the B17 more level once it's broken in? I don't
ride nose up but have found the C17 feels most comfortable set up just like
the standard B17.

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This is exactly what I was wondering. YES, mine is a special as well and I
get the same comments. The B17 works great on my Atlantis with albatross
bars, but on my Rambler with drops is where I'm having issue. I have a
fizik tundra on my CX bike and it's level, thin, flat, and very little give
but is plenty comfortable for 60+ mi rides. My Rambler is like my CX pick
up truck so I like having the bag loops for my carradice, and honestly the
water resistance of the C17 would be welcome.

Post by Mark Reimer
I ride my B17 special very nose-up. People often say OUCH that looks
painful! They just don't understand... My C17 is pretty much dead flat. I
agree that they don't feel the same. They are both wide and flat, but the
B17 special has a lot more give, and that hammock feel. The C17 is not a
hammock. but it IS quite forgiving and comfortable. I use the B17 on my
Atlantis for long rides. The C17 is on my single speed CX bike which I use
for ripping around fast and light, riding in the rain, etc. The C17 is also
a great mountain biking saddle.

[Lungimsam]

Brooks told me a sprung Cambium type saddle is planned for 2016.

[Matthew J]

Post by Lungimsam
Brooks told me a sprung Cambium type saddle is planned for 2016.

Interesting. With luck this means Brooks will also have an unsprung but
wider, shorter Cambium for more upright riding. Maybe with dimensions
between the Berthoud Marie Blanc and Mente.

Post by Lungimsam
Brooks told me a sprung Cambium type saddle is planned for 2016.

[Matthew J]

An early Cambium adopter, it has been awhile since I rode on a B17. My
Cambiums are set up flat. Closer to how I used to set up the Berthoud
saddles than Brooks.

Post by 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch
For those that have ridden both, and tend to ride their B17 "nose up", do
you find you have to orient the Cambium the same? The nose up B17 works
well for me, but when I venture off road it's not very friendly and has
caused some problems. I'm hoping the Cambium with it's claimed "broken in"
B17 out of the box comfort can be run close to level. I realize everyone is
different, but if you've run a B17 and a C17, I'd love to hear your
comparisons on setup.
I have been wanting to try a Cambium for some time, and might seek one out
based on this.

[Jeff Lesperance]

When riding B-17 and B-17n saddles, I do setup with a slight nose-up angle.
I've done something similar with my Cambium C17 and C17 carved saddles,
though maybe slightly less of an angle, closer to flat. Prior to moving to
Cambium C17 saddles, the B17n was my saddle of choice for anything more
than a short distance recreational ride. At this point, I'm swapping over
to C17 carved on nearly all my bikes.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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Post by 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch
For those that have ridden both, and tend to ride their B17 "nose up", do
you find you have to orient the Cambium the same? The nose up B17 works
well for me, but when I venture off road it's not very friendly and has
caused some problems. I'm hoping the Cambium with it's claimed "broken in"
B17 out of the box comfort can be run close to level. I realize everyone is
different, but if you've run a B17 and a C17, I'd love to hear your
comparisons on setup.
I have been wanting to try a Cambium for some time, and might seek one out
based on this.
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[Kieran J]

It's funny because I know a lot of people ride the C17, but I didn't find
that it resembled a broken-in B17 in any way when I tried one. I rode it
for about 2 days before taking it off and selling it. It mostly felt like a
semi-hard rubber saddle with a very rounded top.

It seems to me the whole idea of an adjustable leather saddle is that it
conforms to you. Maybe that does actually happen over time with the C17 but
it certainly didn't do that "out of the box". The only saddle I can say
that about is the SA Titanico.

KJ

Post by 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch
For those that have ridden both, and tend to ride their B17 "nose up", do
you find you have to orient the Cambium the same? The nose up B17 works
well for me, but when I venture off road it's not very friendly and has
caused some problems. I'm hoping the Cambium with it's claimed "broken in"
B17 out of the box comfort can be run close to level. I realize everyone is
different, but if you've run a B17 and a C17, I'd love to hear your
comparisons on setup.
I have been wanting to try a Cambium for some time, and might seek one out
based on this.

[Arthur Mayfield]

I ride my C-17 (carved) flat. I also have one of the first batch of
uncarved C-17s that I haven't ridden in a while, but I think I set it up
flat as well. I do tend to move the Cambiums a centimeter or so further
back than the B-17. For my B-17 I tilt the nose just barely above flat.
There's no break in period with Cambium saddles, btw. A few thousand miles
on mine and they're just like they were from the start, with the exception
that the fabric surface is a bit smoother and the natural color has a bit
of patina from friction and exposure. I like the look and love my Cambiums.

Post by 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch
For those that have ridden both, and tend to ride their B17 "nose up", do
you find you have to orient the Cambium the same? The nose up B17 works
well for me, but when I venture off road it's not very friendly and has
caused some problems. I'm hoping the Cambium with it's claimed "broken in"
B17 out of the box comfort can be run close to level. I realize everyone is
different, but if you've run a B17 and a C17, I'd love to hear your
comparisons on setup.
I have been wanting to try a Cambium for some time, and might seek one out
based on this.